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posted on 24/8/2020 20:13I know one of the people named in Pogrund's book - Gramsci.
And they say that the events described around them did not happen. Just did not happen.*
Also, the part about Labour staffers heroically persuading the tv company not to broadcast footage from the "Oatcake barge" has already been deleted from the piece because it was just not true. I watched the entire footage of it... it's just absolutely normal stuff, nothing any more embarrassing than any set piece photocall.
Mostly tripe.
There may be some threads of truth - there would have to be - e.g. the tensions around brexit policy and McDonnel/Corbyn tensions. There is no doubt that the brexit policy change** and (analysis now shows) the implosion of the liberals are the two main reasons Labour lost so many seats.
* albeit not actionable, it does not damage their reputation in a big way, but forms part of the overall false picture painted
** We would probably have lost still had we maintained the 2017 brexit policy position, but in different places and fewer seats. I still think it was a decent policy to have a 2nd referendum, but too easily de-nuanced by opponents. Such is politics, you get rewarded for deceitful slogans like "oven ready deal".
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
Also, the part about Labour staffers heroically persuading the tv company not to broadcast footage from the "Oatcake barge" has already been deleted from the piece because it was just not true. I watched the entire footage of it... it's just absolutely normal stuff, nothing any more embarrassing than any set piece photocall.
Mostly tripe.
There may be some threads of truth - there would have to be - e.g. the tensions around brexit policy and McDonnel/Corbyn tensions. There is no doubt that the brexit policy change** and (analysis now shows) the implosion of the liberals are the two main reasons Labour lost so many seats.
* albeit not actionable, it does not damage their reputation in a big way, but forms part of the overall false picture painted
** We would probably have lost still had we maintained the 2017 brexit policy position, but in different places and fewer seats. I still think it was a decent policy to have a 2nd referendum, but too easily de-nuanced by opponents. Such is politics, you get rewarded for deceitful slogans like "oven ready deal".
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
- In an extract from their new book, Gabriel Pogrund and Patrick Maguire reveal how the wheels came off the election bus for an exhausted, irritable party leader and his warring aides - Nicolae 23/8 14:12 (read 8244 times, 13 posts in thread)
- A big WELL DONE if you actually bothered to read all of that - Robin Ho 24/8 18:43 (read 8201 times)
- And a big **** OFF if you didn’t but felt you ought to comment still. - Nicolae 24/8 21:42 (read 8492 times)
- You decided to cut and paste 97 paragraphs from a RIVETING account of the Labour Party’s 2019 election campaign onto a sub-forum of a bread products discussion board - Robin Ho 24/8 22:01 (read 8603 times)
- ^^ look up there dullard ^^ you see the board name? - Nicolae 24/8 22:13 (read 8922 times)
- Re: ^^ look up there dullard ^^ you see the board name? - oneen 2/8 11:16 (read 6712 times)
- Not sure if this has ever been mentioned before - Robin Ho 24/8 22:34 (read 8908 times)
- ^^ look up there dullard ^^ you see the board name? - Nicolae 24/8 22:13 (read 8922 times)
- You decided to cut and paste 97 paragraphs from a RIVETING account of the Labour Party’s 2019 election campaign onto a sub-forum of a bread products discussion board - Robin Ho 24/8 22:01 (read 8603 times)
- I know one of the people named in Pogrund's book - Gramsci. 24/8 20:13 (read 9002 times)
- As with almost all of Nic/Gazza’s C&P efforts - Robin Ho 24/8 22:12 (read 8806 times)
- World beating performance from Nic's party - Gav 24/8 19:00 (read 10149 times)
- Woeful - the worst in both respects. And Scotland helped a little to pull down the UK-as-a-whole's dreadful record on excess deaths. - Gramsci. 25/8 09:54 (read 8514 times)
- Wow that’s quite some diversionary change of subject there. - Nicolae 24/8 21:45 (read 8308 times)
- I was pretty confident they’d (continue to) be a complete ****ing disaster for this country - Robin Ho 24/8 19:20 (read 7943 times)
- And a big **** OFF if you didn’t but felt you ought to comment still. - Nicolae 24/8 21:42 (read 8492 times)
- A big WELL DONE if you actually bothered to read all of that - Robin Ho 24/8 18:43 (read 8201 times)