posted on 25/6/2020 13:56"a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci.
I imagine most people, let alone Labour members, believe something fairly close to:
we should be sufficiently free to act in a way that may affect ourselves, even adversely, but that a democatic state should intervene with laws and regulations when the individual's actions impinge negatively on the wellbeing or opportunity granted to all, or other, citizens.
You and I might even agree on the above.
But it is very general indeed. Which makes it all the more useful to make more granular by use of examples. This is what we are doing.
You said this was in the context of the pandemic and government's actions - you introduced this to the discussion
You said your idea was that the lockdown had been too restrictive in some way,
I said I was happy with the measures
I am interested, as are other readers I am sure, as to which measures you did not like and why.
So tell us.
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
we should be sufficiently free to act in a way that may affect ourselves, even adversely, but that a democatic state should intervene with laws and regulations when the individual's actions impinge negatively on the wellbeing or opportunity granted to all, or other, citizens.
You and I might even agree on the above.
But it is very general indeed. Which makes it all the more useful to make more granular by use of examples. This is what we are doing.
You said this was in the context of the pandemic and government's actions - you introduced this to the discussion
You said your idea was that the lockdown had been too restrictive in some way,
I said I was happy with the measures
I am interested, as are other readers I am sure, as to which measures you did not like and why.
So tell us.
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
- "Labour is ideologically at ease with the state control that the emergency has ushered in." - bitterblue 24/6 21:40 (read 18217 times, 16 posts in thread)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 18674 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 18570 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 19059 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 18719 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 19209 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 19179 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 19301 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 18949 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 19204 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 18911 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 19455 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 19172 times)
- (hasty title edit) your post makes sense now ;-) - Nicolae 25/6 14:55 (read 19140 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 19172 times)
- "a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci. 25/6 13:56 (read 18608 times)
- <tumbleweed> from bitterblue - Gramsci. 26/6 19:07 (read 17819 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 19455 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 18911 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 19204 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 18949 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 19301 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 19179 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 19209 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 18719 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 19059 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 18570 times)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 18674 times)
Post Your Reply
You must log in to reply to posts. Use the log in form at the top of the page or click here to create an account.

