posted on 25/6/2020 13:56"a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci.
I imagine most people, let alone Labour members, believe something fairly close to:
we should be sufficiently free to act in a way that may affect ourselves, even adversely, but that a democatic state should intervene with laws and regulations when the individual's actions impinge negatively on the wellbeing or opportunity granted to all, or other, citizens.
You and I might even agree on the above.
But it is very general indeed. Which makes it all the more useful to make more granular by use of examples. This is what we are doing.
You said this was in the context of the pandemic and government's actions - you introduced this to the discussion
You said your idea was that the lockdown had been too restrictive in some way,
I said I was happy with the measures
I am interested, as are other readers I am sure, as to which measures you did not like and why.
So tell us.
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
we should be sufficiently free to act in a way that may affect ourselves, even adversely, but that a democatic state should intervene with laws and regulations when the individual's actions impinge negatively on the wellbeing or opportunity granted to all, or other, citizens.
You and I might even agree on the above.
But it is very general indeed. Which makes it all the more useful to make more granular by use of examples. This is what we are doing.
You said this was in the context of the pandemic and government's actions - you introduced this to the discussion
You said your idea was that the lockdown had been too restrictive in some way,
I said I was happy with the measures
I am interested, as are other readers I am sure, as to which measures you did not like and why.
So tell us.
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
- "Labour is ideologically at ease with the state control that the emergency has ushered in." - bitterblue 24/6 21:40 (read 8830 times, 16 posts in thread)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 9041 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 8909 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 9201 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 8968 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 9317 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 9265 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 9426 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 9178 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 9291 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 9002 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 9274 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 9298 times)
- (hasty title edit) your post makes sense now ;-) - Nicolae 25/6 14:55 (read 9043 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 9298 times)
- "a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci. 25/6 13:56 (read 8950 times)
- <tumbleweed> from bitterblue - Gramsci. 26/6 19:07 (read 8557 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 9274 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 9002 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 9291 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 9178 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 9426 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 9265 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 9317 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 8968 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 9201 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 8909 times)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 9041 times)