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posted on 25/6/2020 09:18The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue
was to you asking whether I was ok with people ****ting in the street or dumping toxic waste. I was saying that this was an extreme example that you were using to make a wider point.
Your question as to whether I think the restrictions were reasonable is a fair one, and the answer, for what it's worth, is no. I think they were far too wide and represented a grave intrusion on individual freedoms.
But the question in my original post was intended to be on the wider point as to whether the labour voting people on here would agree with the Telegraph's assertion that Labour is ideologically at ease with the state control that Covid has caused. Put another way, is a high degree of state control a desirable state of affairs for your average-Joe Labour voter?
Your question as to whether I think the restrictions were reasonable is a fair one, and the answer, for what it's worth, is no. I think they were far too wide and represented a grave intrusion on individual freedoms.
But the question in my original post was intended to be on the wider point as to whether the labour voting people on here would agree with the Telegraph's assertion that Labour is ideologically at ease with the state control that Covid has caused. Put another way, is a high degree of state control a desirable state of affairs for your average-Joe Labour voter?
- "Labour is ideologically at ease with the state control that the emergency has ushered in." - bitterblue 24/6 21:40 (read 135 times, 16 posts in thread)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 131 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 130 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 130 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 129 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 125 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 130 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 120 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 121 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 128 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 124 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 120 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 113 times)
- (hasty title edit) your post makes sense now ;-) - Nicolae 25/6 14:55 (read 116 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 113 times)
- "a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci. 25/6 13:56 (read 130 times)
- <tumbleweed> from bitterblue - Gramsci. 26/6 19:07 (read 97 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 120 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 124 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 128 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 121 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 120 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 130 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 125 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 129 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 130 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 130 times)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 131 times)