posted on 25/6/2020 13:56"a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci.
I imagine most people, let alone Labour members, believe something fairly close to:
we should be sufficiently free to act in a way that may affect ourselves, even adversely, but that a democatic state should intervene with laws and regulations when the individual's actions impinge negatively on the wellbeing or opportunity granted to all, or other, citizens.
You and I might even agree on the above.
But it is very general indeed. Which makes it all the more useful to make more granular by use of examples. This is what we are doing.
You said this was in the context of the pandemic and government's actions - you introduced this to the discussion
You said your idea was that the lockdown had been too restrictive in some way,
I said I was happy with the measures
I am interested, as are other readers I am sure, as to which measures you did not like and why.
So tell us.
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
we should be sufficiently free to act in a way that may affect ourselves, even adversely, but that a democatic state should intervene with laws and regulations when the individual's actions impinge negatively on the wellbeing or opportunity granted to all, or other, citizens.
You and I might even agree on the above.
But it is very general indeed. Which makes it all the more useful to make more granular by use of examples. This is what we are doing.
You said this was in the context of the pandemic and government's actions - you introduced this to the discussion
You said your idea was that the lockdown had been too restrictive in some way,
I said I was happy with the measures
I am interested, as are other readers I am sure, as to which measures you did not like and why.
So tell us.
- “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - George Orwell -
- "Labour is ideologically at ease with the state control that the emergency has ushered in." - bitterblue 24/6 21:40 (read 13883 times, 16 posts in thread)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 14154 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 14107 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 14519 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 14261 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 14609 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 14600 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 14710 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 14468 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 14597 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 14396 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 14551 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 14529 times)
- (hasty title edit) your post makes sense now ;-) - Nicolae 25/6 14:55 (read 14208 times)
- I don't think you're right there - Gramsci. 25/6 14:25 (read 14529 times)
- "a higher rather than lower level of governmental control over the individual citizen" = the libertarian continuum - Gramsci. 25/6 13:56 (read 14058 times)
- <tumbleweed> from bitterblue - Gramsci. 26/6 19:07 (read 13398 times)
- would it be unfair to say... - Nicolae 25/6 14:00 (read 14551 times)
- You misunderstand my initial post, - bitterblue 25/6 12:54 (read 14396 times)
- I thought we were comparing our appetite for libertarianism. So - Gramsci. 25/6 11:29 (read 14597 times)
- Quelle surprise! - bitterblue 25/6 10:47 (read 14468 times)
- Which aspects of the lockdown were too severe for you? Nt - Gramsci. 25/6 10:09 (read 14710 times)
- The reference I made to extreme examples - bitterblue 25/6 09:18 (read 14600 times)
- I am assuming that the Telegraph article you mentioned at the start is topical/about lockdown etc - Gramsci. 25/6 09:03 (read 14609 times)
- Hard cases make bad law, as the saying goes - bitterblue 25/6 08:36 (read 14261 times)
- And your view? The restrictions that we were under in April and May - Gramsci. 25/6 08:09 (read 14519 times)
- in the context of the article - bitterblue 25/6 07:28 (read 14107 times)
- What does "state control of the individual" mean? - Gramsci. 24/6 22:57 (read 14154 times)